Topic: Is the constant negativity in this community getting to anyone else?

@skywake
It seems everything Nintendo does, theres a controversy centered around price. Even going back to the $299 Switch. Remember when the entire internet was saying "haha that's way too expensive, its gonna flop worse than Wii U- what are they thinking!". I know you remember cause you were here with me during that time.

Like, how can you trust complaints about price are in good faith when even the $299 Switch was made into a controversy? I saw someone trying to say Mario Tennis Fever should only cost $50 because "its a spinoff". As if its not a fully featured title in its own right. Nintendo makes games and then chooses IP to match it. Mario is just the skin- Tennis is the game and its a full, high quality release. I see ppl say "I can get Galaxy for $20 on Wii U" and I think, ok, then go do that instead! If you'd rather play the 480p Wii version for $20 tethered to the TV and a 15 foot radius rather than a UHD remaster with mouse controls and is both a console and handheld version combined for $35 (splitting cost to get per game price), then do it. Why complain? You clearly have a better option so go with what you see as a better option. Nobody is forcing you to buy the new remasters. Its just one more option on the table for those who want a 4k Switch 2 version with Assist Mode and some better textures and storybook content and soundtrack. Personally I dont see the issue with $40 remasters (especially when the 2nd is discounted to $30 if buying both). But if others do, that's cool, just dont buy it then. Or go buy the 480p tethered Wii versions for $40 instead.

Im sure some complaints are genuine but its hard to separate the wheat (genuine complaints) from the chaff (grifter complaints) since we experience this crap for Every. Single. Game. And Console. How can I trust complaints are in good faith after seeing the outrage over a $300 Switch, or $70 Mario Tennis Aces as if it's a "lesser game", or an optional $100 Virtual Boy replica that has a cheaper $25 option that people are saying they have no interest in anyway. Then why are you complaining about it!!! You say you're not interested then you complain about the price of a thing you're not buying?

Same for amiibo. Which I admit I think prices have gotten too high for amiibo, but most people complaining about it don't buy amiibo anyways. If you ask them they'll even say "ya I own like 2 amiibo, and 1 was a gift". So what are you complaining for?!! You weren't gonna buy them anyways!

Metroid Dread had price controversy. DKC Tropical Freeze and Returns both had price controversy. Like, "they were cheaper on prior systems". Ya! 480p Wii games were $50, but this is the $60 era now and its a 60fps HD remaster! Only reason TF was $50 was because nobody bought the system and they were desperate for software sales. It originally listed for $60.

Idk. Im just tired of pricing controversies for everything that gets announced nowadays. If its that much of a problem then sell your Switch and go invest in a different console or hobby.

@skywake yes ok. Let’s pretend you want to be a first party Nintendo fan one generation behind. Well the hardware costs more now than it did when it was first released and the best case scenario of games discounts are 33% off. You can wait 8 years and still buy games at less of a discount than you’ll find capcom, ea, Ubisoft, Microsoft games 6 months after release. So I guess you can be a video game fan if you don’t have much money but it’s almost impossible to be a Nintendo fan.

I’d also like to mention that I grew up in a different era. I had a handful of video games despite loving them. I can name them actually.

Baseball stars
Super Mario
Super Mario 2
Super Mario 3
Legend of Zelda 2
Excitebike

I swear I only had goldeneye and banjo on my N64.

But I played every Nintendo game that I wanted by putting on my shoes and walking or biking a few miles to my local blockbuster once a week and renting a game with my allowance.

Nintendo fans have a very high barrier of entry. People make fun of Disney for being expensive. It is. All the merchandise and the Disney land trips super expensive. Just like amiibos and whatever that Nintendo world is I will never go to. But the actual content? It’s cheap. Disney plus+ is the barrier of basic entry. Nintendos barrier is 70$ -33%.

I think not being able to afford what you once loved is part of this negativity. There’s a thin line between love and hate.

@sixrings
I would argue that if you want Nintendo's output but live a generation behind and on a budget there are deals to have. I mean sure, in North America the price of the Switch hardware new went up, not sure that one is on Nintendo directly. But a Switch Lite is still the lowest price piece of gaming hardware on the market

And sure, Nintendo's titles do tend to not go on sale as hard as other publishers do. But there are still sales and cheap games to find, but yes especially from other publishers. It's not impossible. I think probably half of the games I have on my Switch are smaller titles that cost between around $2 and $15

..... and in terms of Disney+ being cheap. Well. A few years ago it was IIRC around $90AU a year for 4K, multiple users, freedom to share your account. It's now $160AU a year for 1080p and $210AU a year for 4K plus $8AU per month for every additional user who is not in the same house. So no, I don't think Disney is a shining example of generosity in comparison

They dropped the price because of low sales yes. But the 3DS launched with a pretty anaemic lineup. And no, before you say it, the Switch 2 is not in the same position

It was a bit of a poor gamble because they had assumed the main audience of DS would upgrade so the earliest push was with stuff like Nintendogs and AR games. A more casual audience. When the games that actually got the system moving were OoT 3D and Mario Kart 7. The casual audience had moved on to phones

Also, again, doesn't matter how many times you say this. Switch 2 is selling well. This is not a 3DS or a Wii U no matter how much you want it to be

@skywake the $2-$15 games you have are not Nintendo first party games.

The lite is the cheapest option. The S is the cheapest tv option.

I don’t think Disney is a shining example. Most people think they’re outright outrageous in their pricing. But that’s the thing. They still look better in some ways to Nintendo. So I don’t know how we ignore that.

I'm seeing a lot more toxic positivity than anything. Like "of course Nintendo is allowed to copyright genres!" or "being able to brick someone's $700 CAD console for buying a used game is totally fair!" I suppose I'm just a bit bitter because I've been priced out this console generation that I've so eagerly awaited as a lifelong fan. People are allowed to enjoy things, but they're also allowed to be upset about anti consumer policies. I'm also feeling like this Nintendo gen is becoming a bit tone deaf to what people want. The whole game key card fiasco, "Switch 2 Editions," DLC before the game even comes out, chopping out parts of a $100 CAD game (Bananza) to sell you them later as "DLC," making people pay loads of money for a copy of the notorious flop the Virtual Boy without any improvements to curb the original complaints of migraines that made it fail AND needing a subscription on top of that to play the handful of games that released for it. But if people want to line up and pay for that kind of thing, then go ahead.

@SykoMuffin I think the only real toxic positivity I've seen are people endlessly gassing up the new Mario VA's terrible performance. Otherwise it's been mostly cynical.

@N00BiSH True. I actually got dragged into a comment flame war on another site for jokingly saying a certain streamer was doing a better job of the Mario voice. The guy instantly started spamming paragraphs of personal insults to me and other commenters saying how dare we not like Kevin Afghani's performance. I have no idea whether that guy was just a troll or what, but it was a pretty crazy topic to get that heated over.

@SykoMuffin yeesh, that must've been rough. There's an insane of diehard defenders for the guy, like they really get upset if you have the gall to do the very normal thing of criticizing an actor's performance.

Generally seems a bit unfair to criticise an actor's performance unless you know the details of any direction they received. Actors aren't responsible for the finished product, so if you don't like a performance, look to the Director or Producers first, I'd say - they set the direction and choose whether to accept a take or not.

Like the heat Hayden Christiansen got for his Star Wars work... He didn't write the script or decide what the Director wanted or was going to accept for the final cut.

PS. Not that I have a problem with HC's work in Star Wars at all, because I understand the character and the setting.

Yeah, I'm mostly just annoyed at how agressive the anti Nintendo folk are towards people who are still interested.

Its cool if you don't want to buy a Switch 2 due to price or any other reasons and its also ok to voice whatever criticisms you have towards Nintendo but don't attack people who buy it and enjoy it

I also found it really odd how a lot of people think Fire Emblem apparently isn't a big enough franchise to end a direct on in 2025 and were complaining about it. Especially when said game is potentially connected to 3 Houses

Ending the direct with fire emblem was a choice.

I'd say that can only justify so much - no matter the direction, it's ultimately on the actor to try and deliver a strong performance within that direction. In Kevin's case, he's clearly being directed to sound as close to Charles as possible, but he clearly doesn't have the specifics of Mario's voice and character down to deliver a convincing performance beyond yips and yahoos. Frankly, it's pretty bad.

I feel like there should be more consistent negativity surrounding 95% of PS5's exclusives. Soulless, depressing and flat out boring. Everything from Spider man, Ratchet & Clank, Horizon, Returnal, God of War etc. I wish Tomba, Jumping Flash! and a cartoony' Spiritual Sequel to Twisted Metal 2 would make a come back. As is, the PS5 is basically my Resident Evil & PSVR2 machine, so for those two purposes I like it.

Yet turning the PS5 on and being greeted to that dystopian Soul crushing ambient robot funeral UI music is enough to make me want to strap this thing to a rocket and send it off to the sun. But you can turn it off, so. lol

Oh Kirby Air Riders where art thou? Including He-Man & TMOU: Dragon Pearl of Destruction, Earthion(2 more days that's when), Mina the Hallower, Super Mario Galaxy 1+2, Mortal Kombat: Legacy Kollection(etc). I need that 80's & 90's VG Charm in my video game life. lol Most of these realistic cinematic game play cut scene disrupting and dragging hollywoodized tutorial riddled NA games have me running for the hills. Although, Capcom has been on fire with Resident Evil since 7, and it's that much more incredible in VR, by a land slide actually.

Runs back to Donut Dodo.

@WaveBoy That's not to mention all the remasters, most of my playtime on PS5 was playing PS4 games.

@WaveBoy that’s on the PlayStation site pushsquare. Let’s stay on topic instead of whataboutisms

@N00BiSH Whether or not he's been directed to sound as close as possible to CM or not, it's not his fault that he doesn't sound like CM enough for you. That's on Nintendo. Nintendo chose to give CM the heave-ho and Nintendo chose Kev as the replacement, so any criticism should be directed towards Nintendo, not Kev.

@sixrings
No point in bringing up what I just said on PushSquare. They'll dunk my Virtual Ninten-Head in a PlayStation potty. Anyways, I'm actually more exited for NS2 than I was for NS1. With Virtual Boy Classics paving the way, i feel like Nintendo is offiically going all out by giving us the unexpected. They were flexing, and had major ba** for doing what they did. if that can happen, anything can happen. NSO Saturn, Dreamcast, TGFX, Wii, DS & 3DS. I love it when Nintendo gets weird & whacky like this. You've got to take risks here and there, even if you wind up swinging and missing.

And then you factor in Kirby Air Riders & Donkey Kong Bananza, two sequels to two games that were released 23-27 years ago. Again, two huge surprises nobody saw coming.

@gcunit You don't need to tell me twice - I'm very well aware that Nintendo's low standards for quality English voice acting are at fault here, and ultimately Kevin's just doing his job, but I don't think that makes him immune to any valid criticisms toward his performance.

And just to clarify, my issue isn't that he doesn't sound like Charles - not entirely at least - it's that he doesn't even sound like a good Mario. It's feels like a cheap impression you do for funsies rather than an actual attempt to perform the character.

I'm tired of the overwhelming negativity and bad-faith arguments that spin-off from it. Especially as both a fan of Nintendo and a Pokemon fan, I see the brunt of it very often. It's one thing to have valid criticism of the games or of the company, but usually it feels like people are actively looking for reasons to be outraged and then using those reasons as a way to be volatile towards others. I've seen friends have ill things wished upon them for just wanting to play a new Pokemon game. I've had people accuse me of being a "shill," "bootlicker," or "fence-sitter" because I don't constantly buy into the outrage and actually have balanced opinions that tend to be based upon actual factual information or information upon the development of said games.

I have been critical myself of things that both Gamefreak and Nintendo have done, but some of the stuff I've seen feels bad-faith or performative.